Venice beach surf hooligans strike again.

There is a very small group of Venice beach surfer who are known about town as being LOCALS that surf by the Venice beach pier most days. And this group of locals (that term is used with disdain and dishonors  all real surfers,  and will hence forth be used as a derogatory term), persist in hassling and attempting to intimidate other surfers who come to Venice pier to surf. Mind you these are 30,40,50 year olds Though they may have been raised in Venice They never surfed the pier until the last 10 years prior to that it was Bicknell st, POV,  or Ocean Park. Now they try to claim the Venice pier with an  angry localism mentality  as if they have been surfing there for a hundred years or like the Hawaiians who had their land and heritage taken away from them. With their strength in number and gang mentality they verbally abuse and threaten other surfer in the lineup, vandalize cars and steal property form the beach. And local law enforcement, beaches and harbors and life guards inability or lack of concern to do anything about this group and the laid back non-confrontational attitudes of real surfers only emboldens this group of what can only be describes as small minded losers. Who haven’t realized that dog town is dead, the 70’s are over and the beach doesn’t belong to them. It’s like a 3 year old playing in the sand box thinking that it is all his until one day other kids start playing in the box and then the temper tantrum ensues. Or more accurately a has been or never was in its lashing out in its death throes.   And just like little kids with a bully’s mentality, they only harass when they have their friends around to show off for, by themselves they cower and sulk by and their true meek personal is revealed.   This is further revealed by their lack of balls to fight for what they think is theirs, I could respect someone who is willing to fight and go to jail for something they believe in, but to vandalize some ones car or steal their property, or verbally abuse is the sign of a coward and I have no respect for cowards.  The worst part about them is that they are teaching their children that is the way you act. I have personally witnessed 11, 12, 13 year old kid trying to stare down grown men, call them kooks ( derogatory  term meaning bad or beginning surfer), and drop in on their waves( which means steal their wave). This goes against everything surfing is supposed to be. The funny thing is, that the very few people who are local icons and would have any room to be *A* holes, are actually okay, they don’t go out of their way to be nice, but let’s face it that’s not a requirement in life, but at least they are not overt dicks.


I’ve documented each occasion however the  police  can only help if you have a video or the person confess to them, the lifeguard don’t want to get involved because they have to see these guys every day and one of the locals is a lifeguard and  just like cops don’t want to tell on cops, same mentality.  And beaches and Harbors are to far removed from the situation and have no power to combat it.


 I run a local surf lesson business in the area, Kapowui Surf Club In the beginning I attempted to make an effort and be overly nice, showing respect to locals letting them take the best waves, not dropping in on them, not saying anything when they dropped in on me, not doing lessons where they surf, telling all of my lessons to respect the locals and surf somewhere else until they became better surfers.  I later realized this was the wrong approach, this only emboldened them to do it more. Bullies only pick on someone whom they think is weaker then themselves. However once I started to getting threatened, told I wasn’t allowed to conduct business at THEIR beach,  my clients  being threatened and verbally abused, my cars being vandalized, I changed my attitude toward them and my tactics. No longer taking their abuse verbal abuse I gave it right back to them, which blew their minds. How dare one person stand up to all of us and expose us for the wussies we are,  whhaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 …………     I refuse to cower down and be run off, you I’m an alpha so you only have 4 options as for as I’m concerned ,  #1 continue your lame loser cowardly acts and perpetuate your own self misery #2 accept that times have changed and learn how to share,  #3 leave, #4 kill me. Because the only way you are getting me to leave Venice is in a body bag and I’ll make sure mine is not the only one.



At one time I was hoping to eventually make friends with your group but now that I know how you are I would never want to be associated with such group of douches.



If you taught your children how to respect other people, share, and fair play maybe one day if they become good enough surfers they would have a chance on the pro tour. But if they show up with the attitudes you are teaching them they will be weeded out like every other “A” hole has been no matter how good they were.  And at the very least you would be raising thoughtful fair citizen’s not self-centered brat with a chip on their shoulders who will go nowhere in life, just like you.


What you don’t realize is the more you hassle me the happier I become, because I know I’m winning. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be for you to have been emasculated by me and to realize you have no power at all. Let’s see I run a successful business at 3 locations in  Marina Del Rey, Santa Monica and Venice beach hire 5+ local instructors each year and pay salaries and taxes for them, I spend 10s of thousands on marketing with local business, I  purchasing equipment and supplies at local business,

 I bring in tourist dollars, after lessons they stay and eat at local restaurants shop at local business, I pay the city for fees, licenses, and permits. So all told I probably generate a half a million or more for the local economy each year. Google a multibillion dollar international company picked my company to showcase. They even shot a commercial of my company in Venice beach bringing in countless dollars for the city with fees and permits. This international commercial  will make my company grown and stimulate even more local business and tax dollars, I bring happiness and joy to people’s lives, I perpetuate the California iconic lifestyle with my 2 classic VW buses that i use for my business (the ones you vandalize ).  This is what I’ve accomplished here in less than 3 years and you  have been here 40 + years and what have you done other than claim something that doesn’t belong to you and maybe pay for your parking meter.  You are everything that’s wrong with surfing magnified and personified.


 Why don’t you take this time for an intellectual rebuttal I know you can write since you did so well with your key on my cars, its okay if you can’t spell, use auto correct.  I understand why you are jealous of my success, my style, my aura, all the things that you desire so fervently and will never have come so easy to me with no ego attached.


I suggest all new and experienced surfers surf right by the pier until these guys learn they don’t own the ocean. Ignoring a roach infestation and just hoping it will go away is the wrong approach. Stop letting bad behavior go unpunished. So to all visiting surfers, tourist, and local residents who are tired of these punks, if you see any of the fore mentioned, start filing reports with the police, call your city council, beaches and harbors representatives, captain of the lifeguards, take photos and videos of any vandalism, theft, or harassment…..


BTW I’m offering $5000 to anyone who provides information leading to the arrest and convictions of whoever vandalized my VW bus. 

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Mirko February 24, 2014 at 05:50 PM
Wow, that was really illogical. Stay on subject. The original post dealt with vandalism. Your point about asking local businesses for permissions to set up shop? Really? What does that have to do with anything? You think Burger King asked McDonalds if it was okay to setup shop across the street? Or taco bell? Its called Merica'. No need to be a silly redneck. there is a service provided, and he is doing something positive. What does permits have to do with anything? Also, the poster already stated that he doesn't give lessons in the middle of a line up. Seriously...think about it. Your logic makes zero sense. But if it makes sense to you, live by it and "beat it kook". What right do you have posting on here anyways? you're just a newbie right? LOL. damn, that's really sad. you give me no hope for humanity.
Charles B. Katz February 24, 2014 at 06:02 PM
Mirko "Concerned Citizen" hit it right on the money!!!
Concerned Citizen February 24, 2014 at 07:29 PM
Mirko, Its not about asking local businesses for permission, it is the decency to let a local small business know that you are going to be doing the same thing as them in the summer time, and that you will try not to steal sales from them. Burger King, Taco Bell, etc are all multi-billion dollar companies, so no, I do not think that they asked each other if they could setup shop across the street. But that is on a level that is completely irrelevant, because small businesses operate on whole different terms. It is disrespectful to come in, with a bright orange and yellow bus, and take business from someone who has been there, and has established clientele. I'm not sure how I'm being a "silly redneck". Don't get your feelings hurt because I don't agree with the poster. And really, "its called Merica'"? No, its not. Its called Venice Beach, and we won't tolerated being disrespected in our home. Although I know you really want to believe everything the poster said, but don't you think that you may want to also take into consideration that he is telling a one-sided story, and that he has, and does teach surf lessons just outside of the line-up. I didn't tell him to live by his actions and "beat it kook". I actually never used kook once in my whole post. And really, what right do I have posting on here? My right is actually given to me by the first amendment which states "The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances." So that, my dear Mirko is what gives me the right to post on here, regardless if I am a "newbie" or not. If your so into "Merica'", as you so blatantly stated in your response to me, I would assume that you would know that already. I agree and support localizing lineups, as when I go to a spot, I will respect the locals. You give respect to get respect. The poster did not give respect, plain and simple. And good luck trying to localize a message board, and telling me to beat it. Its the internet, I don't think you can localize that, but like I said, good luck.
Mirko February 24, 2014 at 08:18 PM
You didn't get the point...I was applying your mentality to this dumb message board...but you didn't get it because you actually thought I was serious. Localizing a message board. LOL. Again, you're siding with lawless idiots...as there is no justification to breaking somebody's Sh*t. Sorry, the law isn't on that side. I hope a person with that mentality doesnt mess with a wrong SEaL one day, throw him over the edge, and have him gut them like a goat. Sure, you can tell him, "wah I've been surfing here for years"..he'd respond, "I've been fighting against terrorist longer than you". The ocean in Venice is a public resource..etiquette goes both ways. You're making a lot of assumptions of the blogger/poster/guy with bright yellow bus that are stretching it. Permits? Stealing business? Waaaahhhhhhh no respect? Too funny!!! This is comical!
Concerned Citizen February 24, 2014 at 08:32 PM
I'm not assuming anything, I'm basing my statements off of the interactions I have had with him and his employees, and the interactions I have viewed. I'm not justifying breaking someone's sh*t, I am simply explaining why it happened, and exposing the other side of the story that the poster did not state. Its not my mentality, I didn't come in here being rude and forceful, and I have not once called him a kook, or any other derogatory term in which I would deserve to be "localized." You give respect to get respect. I'm putting another side to the story, you don't have to disrespect me, and be rude because you don't agree with my side.


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